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Tomas's avatar

Really good analysis. The only thing that caught my atention was the 70% market share of Waymo in PHX in jun 2024. If I get it correct, Waymo had 70% of all ride sharing in PHX? From where are you taking the total miles in every market? Or just an estimate?

Anyways, really helpful.

Mark Dolan's avatar

I wish that other companies would distill their data and be more open in guiding the public on the safety of their program. Some companies instead go as far as to mix and match their miles in places with riders, observers and the occasional rider only miles go into one flaming pile. Those statistics are irrelevant at best and downright deceptive at worst.

One of the coolest takeaways from the safety report is how much effort it takes to get to safety relevant (about 10M rider only miles). Only these four cities got there so far. The biggies are beyond 100K miles a day and Austin closer to 30K per day. This what it takes to reveal as a 'serious' market. In Waymo's world, it would be IRRESPONSIBLE to protect the inherent safety in a market until they get to about 10M miles. It is refreshing to treat statistics responsibly. That is what it takes to draw real safety conclusions based on error bars.

It will be interesting to watch how long before new cities emerge. I am guessing that Miami will be the next big market and maybe DFW and get to 10M miles rather quickly -- maybe as early as 3Q this year so by the EOY safety report. Phoenix, San Francisco & Los Angeles are now past 100K miles per day while Austin trails at 30K/day. I think Miami will get there surprisingly quickly -- airport service is a tell b/c that's a big part of taxi service.

I am glad Zoox is at least providing guidance in RO miles and now is past 2M miles. If they meet their goals for this year they have outlined they will emerge close to 10M between 4Q26 and 2Q27. Still early days but at least they are providing useful guidance. It is intentionally difficult to guess where Tesla is at. I guess they are likely somewhere between 75 miles/day when Elon & Ashok rode in January and maybe approaching 3000 miles/week after 3+ months now. Still only 10a-3p when not raining and MAYBE 3 cars. All of the rest of the 'meaningful miles' are silly and irrelevant. Providing real RO miles is hard. It is a great shortcut to identify the shill. That's 3000 miles a week in a good week I would guess. Irresponsible to even guess how long to get 10M miles of experience in Austin in even a modest ODD. Time will tell.

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