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Join panelists at the just concluded Curbivore conference as they discuss what it takes to electrify, scale, and automate the vehicles of tomorrow, and the key systems supporting autonomy as deployments expand. This panel featured Aileen Zhong (Director of Government Affairs, Starship Technologies), Will Graylin (CEO & Chairman, indiGOtech), Nick Allen (Head of AV/Mobility Solutions, TaskUs), John McLean (Head of Market Development, Voltera), and Ed Walker (Senior Vice President, Hub International), and was moderated by Lloyd Lee (Reporter, Business Insider).
The conversation explores the infrastructure backbone enabling autonomy, from charging and fleet support to the human-in-the-loop systems that underpin AV safety today. It also covers key regulatory hurdles in cities, barriers to deploying sidewalk robots, and the most important metrics for early pilot programs. Panelists discuss how insurability evolves with scale, including the role of real-world versus simulated miles, how remote assistance may shift globally, and how risk and compliance frameworks change as drivers are removed. The discussion also touches on labor dynamics, the infrastructure versus scale “chicken-and-egg” challenge, public and regulatory perception, and which pieces of the ecosystem will have the biggest impact on AV growth in the coming years.
Chapters
(00:00) Introduction and overview
(03:45) The backbone that makes autonomy work and the infrastructure layer
(09:45) The human-in-the-loop layer behind AV safety
(11:04) Regulatory hurdles facing autonomous vehicle deployments in cities
(14:05) Barriers to deploying sidewalk robots in major cities
(15:37) The most critical metrics for AV pilot deployments
(19:03) Key requirements for autonomous fleets to ensure insurability at scale
(22:09) How physical vs. simulated miles impact AV fleet insurability
(23:23) How human-in-the-loop systems will evolve as AVs scale
(25:05) Overseas remote assistance for autonomous vehicles
(27:34) How risk and compliance dynamics change as drivers are removed
(30:34) Balancing labor concerns with scaling autonomy
(33:06) The “chicken and egg” problem of infrastructure vs. scaling
(36:20) Regulator and public perception of AVs today
(40:22) Which infrastructure pieces will most impact AV scaling, and how insurance may evolve
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